{"id":10255,"date":"2016-02-26T12:01:58","date_gmt":"2016-02-26T12:01:58","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/fourtoes.co.uk\/iblog\/?p=10255"},"modified":"2021-02-17T17:11:21","modified_gmt":"2021-02-17T17:11:21","slug":"wet-plate-negatives-of-coventry","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/fourtoes.co.uk\/iblog\/wet-plate-negatives-of-coventry\/","title":{"rendered":"Wet Plate Negatives of Coventry"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>These have been sitting on my desk at work for a while, waiting for me to digitise them. I bought them last second on Feepay and hadn&#8217;t really looked at them, avtually I have a batch of other stuff that needs looking at that still sitting in a box.<\/p>\n<p>These are ten whole plate wet plate negatives of mixed subject matter, one of which dates to 1868\/9 and Coventry, maybe someone might recognise the housing\/streets in the images. Please let me know if you do!<\/p>\n<p>A quick search on Google turned up some surprising results.<\/p>\n<p>The Lamb and Flag on Spon Street, Coventry&#8230; a great plate.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-10256\" src=\"http:\/\/fourtoes.co.uk\/iblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/\/2016\/02\/Pub1A.jpg\" alt=\"Pub1A\" width=\"441\" height=\"576\" srcset=\"https:\/\/fourtoes.co.uk\/iblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/02\/Pub1A.jpg 441w, https:\/\/fourtoes.co.uk\/iblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/02\/Pub1A-230x300.jpg 230w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 441px) 100vw, 441px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>The Licensee can be seen to be C. Francis in this crop, and from online sources I found that he was only there from\u00a01868 &#8211; 1869. So dating the plate exactly.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/realalerambles.co.uk\/history\/L\/lamb_and_flag.html#show1\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">http:\/\/realalerambles.co.uk\/history\/L\/lamb_and_flag.html#show1<\/a><\/p>\n<p>And just down from there The Woolpack run by R Parker. 1861 &#8211; 1874!<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/realalerambles.co.uk\/history\/W\/woolpack_149_spon.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">http:\/\/realalerambles.co.uk\/history\/W\/woolpack_149_spon.html<\/a><\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-10257\" src=\"http:\/\/fourtoes.co.uk\/iblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/\/2016\/02\/Pub1B.jpg\" alt=\"Pub1B\" width=\"433\" height=\"576\" srcset=\"https:\/\/fourtoes.co.uk\/iblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/02\/Pub1B.jpg 433w, https:\/\/fourtoes.co.uk\/iblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/02\/Pub1B-226x300.jpg 226w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 433px) 100vw, 433px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>Edit: A water Conduit, an early water source. Crop below. Thanks Helen.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-10330\" src=\"http:\/\/fourtoes.co.uk\/iblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/\/2016\/02\/water.jpg\" alt=\"water\" width=\"432\" height=\"432\" srcset=\"https:\/\/fourtoes.co.uk\/iblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/02\/water.jpg 432w, https:\/\/fourtoes.co.uk\/iblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/02\/water-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/fourtoes.co.uk\/iblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/02\/water-300x300.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 432px) 100vw, 432px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>Further down the street is JM Stevens late Jordan? And the horse and cart is owned by W White, Market Gardener of Coventry.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-10258\" src=\"http:\/\/fourtoes.co.uk\/iblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/\/2016\/02\/Pub1C.jpg\" alt=\"Pub1C\" width=\"576\" height=\"433\" srcset=\"https:\/\/fourtoes.co.uk\/iblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/02\/Pub1C.jpg 576w, https:\/\/fourtoes.co.uk\/iblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/02\/Pub1C-300x226.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 576px) 100vw, 576px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>And how it looks now in <a href=\"https:\/\/www.google.co.uk\/maps\/@52.4083642,-1.517297,3a,75y,52.61h,97.14t\/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1smTmRSozrU0-tk2nOkUFxEg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Google Maps<\/a>&#8230;.<\/p>\n<p>Doesn&#8217;t quite look the same nowadays but remember Coventry was very heavily bombed during WWII, so hardly surprising.<\/p>\n<p>A new street, I haven&#8217;t been able to find this one&#8230;. Edit: Thanks to Anne for identifying this as Stoneleigh Terrace on Greyfriars Green, unfortunately now a Bypass.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-10260\" src=\"http:\/\/fourtoes.co.uk\/iblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/\/2016\/02\/Street2.jpg\" alt=\"Street2\" width=\"576\" height=\"440\" srcset=\"https:\/\/fourtoes.co.uk\/iblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/02\/Street2.jpg 576w, https:\/\/fourtoes.co.uk\/iblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/02\/Street2-300x229.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 576px) 100vw, 576px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>But some of the negatives have this masking to the glass side. Looks like its been etched into!<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-10265\" src=\"http:\/\/fourtoes.co.uk\/iblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/\/2016\/02\/masketch.jpg\" alt=\"masketch\" width=\"451\" height=\"576\" srcset=\"https:\/\/fourtoes.co.uk\/iblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/02\/masketch.jpg 451w, https:\/\/fourtoes.co.uk\/iblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/02\/masketch-235x300.jpg 235w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 451px) 100vw, 451px\" \/>\u00a0<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-10266\" src=\"http:\/\/fourtoes.co.uk\/iblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/\/2016\/02\/lupe.jpg\" alt=\"lupe\" width=\"576\" height=\"576\" srcset=\"https:\/\/fourtoes.co.uk\/iblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/02\/lupe.jpg 576w, https:\/\/fourtoes.co.uk\/iblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/02\/lupe-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/fourtoes.co.uk\/iblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/02\/lupe-300x300.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 576px) 100vw, 576px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>They best get that pavement sorted&#8230;<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-10261\" src=\"http:\/\/fourtoes.co.uk\/iblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/\/2016\/02\/Street.jpg\" alt=\"Street\" width=\"576\" height=\"443\" srcset=\"https:\/\/fourtoes.co.uk\/iblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/02\/Street.jpg 576w, https:\/\/fourtoes.co.uk\/iblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/02\/Street-300x231.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 576px) 100vw, 576px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>A fine country house.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-10262\" src=\"http:\/\/fourtoes.co.uk\/iblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/\/2016\/02\/House1.jpg\" alt=\"House1\" width=\"576\" height=\"442\" srcset=\"https:\/\/fourtoes.co.uk\/iblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/02\/House1.jpg 576w, https:\/\/fourtoes.co.uk\/iblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/02\/House1-300x230.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 576px) 100vw, 576px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>Thanks to Helen and Anne for their messages.<\/p>\n<p>This is Stone House in Allesley Village. There is an Estate Agent advert online at the moment and you can buy it for \u00a3800K&#8230;\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/goo.gl\/maps\/14xHyA68Ssv\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">https:\/\/goo.gl\/maps\/14xHyA68Ssv<\/a><\/p>\n<p><em>&#8220;The stone house is a grade 2 star listed property that dates back to 1557 when it was mentioned in the will of John Milward, the freehold was bought by William Clarke in 1608, making it an original sandstone built Tudor house. It is thought to have been built on the site of the pack horse gatehouse of the legendary Allesley Castle.<\/em><br \/>\n<em>Boasting of eight\/nine bedrooms, six reception rooms, cellar, two red brick outhouses and walled rear garden.&#8221;<\/em><\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-10263\" src=\"http:\/\/fourtoes.co.uk\/iblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/\/2016\/02\/House2.jpg\" alt=\"House2\" width=\"576\" height=\"437\" srcset=\"https:\/\/fourtoes.co.uk\/iblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/02\/House2.jpg 576w, https:\/\/fourtoes.co.uk\/iblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/02\/House2-300x228.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 576px) 100vw, 576px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>This one has a paper mask for the sky.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-10264\" src=\"http:\/\/fourtoes.co.uk\/iblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/\/2016\/02\/Maskhouse.jpg\" alt=\"Maskhouse\" width=\"576\" height=\"413\" srcset=\"https:\/\/fourtoes.co.uk\/iblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/02\/Maskhouse.jpg 576w, https:\/\/fourtoes.co.uk\/iblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/02\/Maskhouse-300x215.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 576px) 100vw, 576px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>And a lovely country cottage&#8230;<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-10267\" src=\"http:\/\/fourtoes.co.uk\/iblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/\/2016\/02\/House3.jpg\" alt=\"House3\" width=\"576\" height=\"432\" srcset=\"https:\/\/fourtoes.co.uk\/iblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/02\/House3.jpg 576w, https:\/\/fourtoes.co.uk\/iblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/02\/House3-300x225.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 576px) 100vw, 576px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>You can just make out the mother and child.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-10268\" src=\"http:\/\/fourtoes.co.uk\/iblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/\/2016\/02\/House3B.jpg\" alt=\"House3B\" width=\"576\" height=\"433\" srcset=\"https:\/\/fourtoes.co.uk\/iblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/02\/House3B.jpg 576w, https:\/\/fourtoes.co.uk\/iblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/02\/House3B-300x226.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 576px) 100vw, 576px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>EDIT: Thank you to Mr Mark Singlehurst for the suggestion that the cottage above is the Coat of Arms Cottage at Stivichall Hamlet, near the Coat of Arms Bridge &#8211; now a grade II listed building. <a href=\"https:\/\/goo.gl\/maps\/YUv3uMxDBc35FUpw6\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Google Streetview<\/a>.<br \/>\nLooking a the old bricked up window areas and lower roof line it may well be.<\/p>\n<p>EDIT II: And thank you to Cliff Berwick who sent me these images of what he believes to be Pound Cottage, again at Coat of Arms Road. They are indeed very similar.<\/p>\n<h6>\n<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone  wp-image-21836\" src=\"https:\/\/fourtoes.co.uk\/iblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/\/2016\/02\/House-300x150.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"572\" height=\"286\" srcset=\"https:\/\/fourtoes.co.uk\/iblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/02\/House-300x150.png 300w, https:\/\/fourtoes.co.uk\/iblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/02\/House-768x384.png 768w, https:\/\/fourtoes.co.uk\/iblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/02\/House-520x260.png 520w, https:\/\/fourtoes.co.uk\/iblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/02\/House.png 864w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 572px) 100vw, 572px\" \/><\/h6>\n<p>Any thoughts? Priest to the left?<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-10269\" src=\"http:\/\/fourtoes.co.uk\/iblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/\/2016\/02\/People1.jpg\" alt=\"People1\" width=\"576\" height=\"439\" srcset=\"https:\/\/fourtoes.co.uk\/iblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/02\/People1.jpg 576w, https:\/\/fourtoes.co.uk\/iblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/02\/People1-300x229.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 576px) 100vw, 576px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>And this unusual group of soldiers?<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-10270\" src=\"http:\/\/fourtoes.co.uk\/iblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/\/2016\/02\/People2.jpg\" alt=\"People2\" width=\"576\" height=\"444\" srcset=\"https:\/\/fourtoes.co.uk\/iblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/02\/People2.jpg 576w, https:\/\/fourtoes.co.uk\/iblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/02\/People2-300x231.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 576px) 100vw, 576px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>Again this one has been masked\/etched but making the image much much worse, the actual plate has much more detail but is worsened by this masking?<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-10271\" src=\"http:\/\/fourtoes.co.uk\/iblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/\/2016\/02\/MaskEtchPeople.jpg\" alt=\"MaskEtchPeople\" width=\"576\" height=\"370\" srcset=\"https:\/\/fourtoes.co.uk\/iblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/02\/MaskEtchPeople.jpg 576w, https:\/\/fourtoes.co.uk\/iblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/02\/MaskEtchPeople-300x193.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 576px) 100vw, 576px\" \/><\/p>\n<p><strong>EDIT\/UPDATE<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>After a visit\u00a0to the Conservation Care Dept where I work, I found the masking is actually on the plate as a varnish of some sort and not etched into the glass as I first thought. This would have been done to balance out the exposure for printing between the tent and the subjects.<\/p>\n<p>Now they wouldn&#8217;t condone what I did next&#8230; I removed it with an nail polish remover. So I digitised it again and now you can see far much more detail even if the photographer managed to focus on the tent rather than the subjects!<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-10282\" src=\"http:\/\/fourtoes.co.uk\/iblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/\/2016\/02\/Soldiers1.jpg\" alt=\"Soldiers1\" width=\"576\" height=\"441\" srcset=\"https:\/\/fourtoes.co.uk\/iblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/02\/Soldiers1.jpg 576w, https:\/\/fourtoes.co.uk\/iblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/02\/Soldiers1-300x230.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 576px) 100vw, 576px\" \/><\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-10283\" src=\"http:\/\/fourtoes.co.uk\/iblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/\/2016\/02\/Soldiers2.jpg\" alt=\"Soldiers2\" width=\"576\" height=\"433\" srcset=\"https:\/\/fourtoes.co.uk\/iblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/02\/Soldiers2.jpg 576w, https:\/\/fourtoes.co.uk\/iblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/02\/Soldiers2-300x226.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 576px) 100vw, 576px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>Beer anyone?<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-10286\" src=\"http:\/\/fourtoes.co.uk\/iblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/\/2016\/02\/Soldiers3-1.jpg\" alt=\"Soldiers3\" width=\"433\" height=\"576\" srcset=\"https:\/\/fourtoes.co.uk\/iblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/02\/Soldiers3-1.jpg 433w, https:\/\/fourtoes.co.uk\/iblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/02\/Soldiers3-1-226x300.jpg 226w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 433px) 100vw, 433px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>And this is the best info we can get from any of the papers they are holding.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-10285\" src=\"http:\/\/fourtoes.co.uk\/iblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/\/2016\/02\/Soldiers4.jpg\" alt=\"Soldiers4\" width=\"490\" height=\"426\" srcset=\"https:\/\/fourtoes.co.uk\/iblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/02\/Soldiers4.jpg 490w, https:\/\/fourtoes.co.uk\/iblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/02\/Soldiers4-300x261.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 490px) 100vw, 490px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>Thanks to Laura in Conservation for her help and advice.<\/p>\n<p>Showing off ones horse!<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-10272\" src=\"http:\/\/fourtoes.co.uk\/iblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/\/2016\/02\/Horse1.jpg\" alt=\"Horse1\" width=\"576\" height=\"441\" srcset=\"https:\/\/fourtoes.co.uk\/iblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/02\/Horse1.jpg 576w, https:\/\/fourtoes.co.uk\/iblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/02\/Horse1-300x230.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 576px) 100vw, 576px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>Which came first&#8230; maybe they took another because of the snoopers at the lower window in this second plate?<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-10273\" src=\"http:\/\/fourtoes.co.uk\/iblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/\/2016\/02\/Horse2.jpg\" alt=\"Horse2\" width=\"576\" height=\"439\" srcset=\"https:\/\/fourtoes.co.uk\/iblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/02\/Horse2.jpg 576w, https:\/\/fourtoes.co.uk\/iblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/02\/Horse2-300x229.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 576px) 100vw, 576px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>Also the two horse plates have this very yellow hue, maybe from the developer used rather than the varnish?<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-10274\" src=\"http:\/\/fourtoes.co.uk\/iblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/\/2016\/02\/yellow.jpg\" alt=\"yellow\" width=\"576\" height=\"431\" srcset=\"https:\/\/fourtoes.co.uk\/iblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/02\/yellow.jpg 576w, https:\/\/fourtoes.co.uk\/iblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/02\/yellow-300x224.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 576px) 100vw, 576px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>So a great little collection of wet plate negatives, I&#8217;m quite pleased with the purchase.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>These have been sitting on my desk at work for a while, waiting for me to digitise them. I bought them last second on Feepay and hadn&#8217;t really looked at them, avtually I have a batch of other stuff that needs looking at that still sitting in a box. 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